COMMITTEE
OF THE WHOLE
FEBRUARY 13, 2009
** APPROVED
Members Present: Chairman C. Crandall, G.
Benson, D. Burdick, W. Dibble, D. Fanton, W. Hall, K. Kruger, D. Pullen, B.
Reynolds, D. Russo (Absent: T. Hopkins, M.
McCormick, T. O’Grady, R. Truax, N. Ungermann)
Others Present: D. Button, A. Finnemore, J. Foels, K. Hooker, J.
Margeson, T. Miner, B. Riehle, T. Ross; Guests:
Joe Starks, President of ECC Technologies; Gary Roberts, Alfred
University; Tom Dawson and Carl Rahr, Alfred State College; Jay Livingston and
Don Haingray, Houghton College; Billy Foster, Jones Memorial Hospital; Media:
J. Loyd, Olean Times Herald; B. Quinn, Wellsville Daily Reporter
Call to Order: The meeting was called to order at 1:10 p.m. by Chairman
Curtis W. Crandall, who then led in the Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag. The Invocation was led by Legislator Pullen.
Chairman
Crandall explained that the purpose of the meeting was to discuss a potential broadband
fiber optic project in
Broadband Fiber Optic Technology, Joe
Starks, ECC Technologies:
As recently as five
years ago, no one at the municipal level understood the importance of broadband
telecommunications technology and how communities got involved. Everyone throught it was someone else’s
problem. Businesses need it, and if we
want those jobs in the community, we need to have the foundation to support
it. Broadband is just a form of telecommunications,
but it’s more than broadband that makes the community successful for technology. Mr. Starks quoted what he feels is his
company’s motto, “By developing solutions that only meet the needs of today,
you will surely miss the opportunities of tomorrow.” We need to plan ahead.
Successful technology infrastructures for communities:
·
Public/private
partnerships
·
Community-wide
approach (can be owned by anyone but controlled by the community)
·
Includes fiber
optics, wireless, electronics, pathway and resources to support it all (mapping
has been completed for existing infrastructure and services in our County; just
waiting for the GIS layer)
·
Vary by community
·
Generally thought
to be someone else’s problem
·
A new focus by
progressive communities (30 counties in
·
A key component
of economic development programs (
Issues faced by rural communities:
·
Lack of
investment
·
Lack of
competition
·
Cost
competitiveness (rural areas pay more – supply and demand)
·
Need for
redundant infrastructure. The reason
this municipal broadband and fiber industry got started was that technology
industries can’t afford to lose their telecommunications. Communities without effective infrastructures
are being left behind (the old “digital divide”).
Recognizing the issues:
·
Getting involved
·
Taking
responsibility (During Ontario County’s telecommunications study, two major
technology-based companies announced they were leaving, resulting in the loss
of 750 jobs. That was the main impetus
for their project.)
·
Developing
community-wide telecommunications strategies and plans
·
Realizing options
and resources (options include fiber optics or wireless or both – every
situation is unique)
·
Re-defining the
digital divide (those communities that get involved vs. those that don’t)
·
It’s a community-wide
issue and needs a community-wide response
To move forward:
·
Vision required
to move community forward
·
Create community-wide
awareness
·
Get buy in and
support of political leaders
·
Enable a
community sponsored technology and telecommunication task force
·
Include and
expand the roles of traditional information technologies professionals
·
Establish a
foundation for a community-wide telecommunications plan
Goals of an effective plan should:
·
Consider the
needs of the entire community (can’t be a burden to taxpayers and has to be
sustainable)
·
Prioritize
economic development by focusing on the strengths and addressing the weaknesses
(we have one of the best technical schools in the area, and the hope would be
to keep those graduates in the area by providing and keeping the technical jobs
for them to go to)
·
Promote telecommunications
competition (want investment in the community; it takes time and it can happen)
·
Create a
foundation to support new technology development regardless of ownership
·
Create a
competitive advantage for communities (fiber optics does that; global
competitiveness)
Who is generally involved in planning:
·
Public school
systems
·
Municipalities,
EDA/IDA efforts
·
Public safety
·
Public and
private colleges
·
Hospitals and major
employers
·
Carriers and
utilities (major users; public/private partnerships; they would use if
available, and would maintain and support if created; grant funding?)
·
Regional efforts
as available (getting outside of the area is part of the goal)
Other considerations for the technology plan:
·
To interconnect
all municipal, educational, and healthcare entities (collaboration)
·
Consider infrastructure
owned and controlled by the community as a strong tool for economic and
business development (make use of available resources; make the project known
and form partnerships)
·
The creation of
services which will reduce costs and attract employment
A simple process:
·
Perform
infrastructure/telecommunication service analysis, identify the holes (being
done by Southern Tier West)
·
Perform
feasibility studies on the development of a community-based infrastructure
·
Identify and
consolidate the community needs (get them on board)
·
Identify and
secure grant, institutional and other sources of funding that can help (this is
key; there is not enough big business in this area to support a revenue-based
model)
·
Grants will be
key, but they can’t be the long-term answer
·
Must be
sustainable (it’s the community that sustains the network)
Formal business plan: (A well
thought out plan should be the foundation of the process. Needed for funding and to garner support of
community partners and carriers.)
·
Public/private
partnerships
·
Governance (Local
·
Funding
·
Operations
·
Sustainability
(need in order to get support)
Comments and questions:
Legislator Kruger
questioned how we can implement this project if Verizon can’t. Mr. Starks responded that we have the
capability of getting others involved for collaboration. Verizon operates for a profit and has its shareholders,
so they would need a quick return, whereby a municipality could do it on a long-term
basis. Mr. Kruger remarked on the sparse
population over which the cost would be spread, and Mr. Starks reiterated the
long-term funding and noted that the municipal model looks at beginning with
municipalities, health agencies, schools, and business, then opens it to
everyone else. Mr. Kruger questioned if
the reason IDAs were mentioned was the difficulty in working public/private
partnerships. Mr. Starks pointed out
that we’d want to keep it from being a burden to government. It has to be flexible and work in public and
private, and work for everyone, and that’s hard to do for government. It’s best done under the governance of a
Local
Legislator Dibble introduced
the educational and health care institution representatives present at the
meeting. Billy Foster from
Legislator Pullen
commented that what we would be proposing is to provide the network, and someone
else, such as a utility carrier, would do “the last mile.” We would save them the capital outlay for infrastructure,
and they would also gain new subscribers.
Mr. Starks noted that’s the model we would want if we can make it work. The County wouldn’t want to jump into the
competition and be a provider. The best
approach, if building the infrastructure, is to have the utilities come in and
finish it. They can save a lot by using
community-owned infrastructure at a cheaper rate and have better quality and
more capacity, and in turn they invest more in increased service. The utility
companies are very in tune to these models, because they can’t afford both the infrastructure
and the services.
Costs and logistics of
running the cable were questioned. Mr.
Starks noted that the standard budget number they use is $40,000 per linear
mile, but the actual cost is usually between $32,500 and $33,000, including the
right of way on the poles. The cable is
run above ground on existing poles or sometimes underground, which is more
expensive. There is no difference in
reliability of the above vs. below ground cabling if built correctly. A backhoe excavating in the area can break a
line, and utility companies sometimes cut a line during an electrical safety
issue, whereas a downed pole doesn’t always cause a break. The fiber optics material is glass, but the
cable is wrapped in steel strand and is strong enough to hold up a broken
pole. Ring architecture is key, for
example, a loop could start in
Chairman Crandall
asked that out of the 30 counties in the state building or considering fiber
networks, what models they are using to approach this if not on a legislative
level. Mr. Starks responded that every
community is different: some are
creating wireless service in under-served areas, some are doing fiber, and
others are doing fiber but not open access.
They are tracking over 600 municipalities in the nation building fiber
networks, and they’ve seen the open access model in rural communities, Local
Mr. Pullen questioned
what it would take to get started. Mr.
Starks replied that we have already started and parts of the process are being
done. We need to identify the needs and
potential users and do a feasibility study of supporting and operating the
network. We don’t want it to be a
taxpayer issue. When the grant dollars
come in, we need to know what we’re doing and have costs and impact nailed down.
Chairman Crandall asked
about a general statement on the enthusiasm within higher education and
healthcare entities for the community-based model. Mr. Starks noted they are key for helping to
get grant dollars. Telemedicine is very
big right now, as are schools, colleges, public safety, and healthcare, and a
regional approach is even better. He
didn’t know of any college not supporting this type of endeavor because of
computer-based learning. They can’t get the
technology they need without this.
ECC Technologies’ role
in the process, other than consulting and assisting with the budget and
language for the grant, can be whatever role the community needs. They are very versatile and can assist with the
entire process.
Legislator Hall
commented that we have hospitals, colleges, businesses, a number of entrepreneurs,
and people writing grants. All of them
could bring more redundancy to the County, but what isn’t here is coordination. We haven’t brought all these entities
together to create partnerships, and we need to start developing that. We may be farther along in technology and
resources, but we’re behind in communicating and getting people together to
develop a plan. Mr. Starks noted that
Chairman Crandall
pointed out that although there has been conversation, some information
gathered, and a map and narratives put together, the process of grant funding
applications has not been started, and that will require direction from the Board. Also, there are preliminary partnerships,
conversations, and work that need to be done for a solid foundation, and
assessment of needs and feasibility. There
needs to be some kind of direction from the Board, and the
Legislator Fanton
asked how this project would tie in with existing broadband. Mr. Starks noted that users will request services;
then providers would use our broadband infrastructure to provide the services. We’re talking about providing service to
areas without any. In
Legislator Pullen
noted that the process has been explained that it’s like building a thruway. Users pay a toll, and there’s open access. Traffic volume increases as the economy
prospers. We don’t know who will use
it. There is presently very little broadband
available in the County. We need to move
ahead to stay competitive. Maybe an ad hoc
committee should be established to convene a summit of potential partners to
see what the need is. Mr. Starks commented
that the
A representative from
A representative from Alfred
State College commented that their situation is unique in that they have
campuses in both Alfred and Wellsville.
They have fiber connectivity between the campuses through Time Warner,
which is a very expensive link for them.
One of their concerns is the subject of redundancy. If something happens in Alfred, both campuses
are dead. Another concern is distance
learning, which is increasing rapidly, with people wanting more and more from
home, including full-time students picking up classes from home during off
times and clients from all over the world.
Broadband availability to people in their homes helps the college to
provide service and the customer for access.
The world is changing to digital, and people’s expectations are greater. They would be interested in anything to make
their service better.
A representative from
Chairman Crandall recommended
the formation of an ad hoc committee to gather information and input on a
County-wide broadband fiber optic project.
There will be potential users at the Southern Tier West meeting
mentioned earlier, and maybe an ad hoc committee could put together a County-wide
summit to get input and technical direction.
A motion was made by Legislator Pullen, seconded by Legislator Dibble
and carried unanimously to authorize the appointment of an ad hoc committee.
Chairman Crandall
reported that several legislators attended the NYSAC Conference in
Legislator Dibble
commented that he felt our priorities should be the Court Facilities Project, Crossroads
Area Infrastructure
Adjournment: The
meeting was adjourned at 2:45 p.m. following a motion made by Legislator Hall,
seconded by Legislator Russo and carried.
Respectfully submitted,
Adele Finnemore, Journal Clerk